hello all,
I am looking for a Specific Randall Called the Stoddard's Special it was the original Sergeants model submitted to Randall by 2 employees of Stoddard's cutlery Boston specifically the CopleyPlace store. If anyone has one for sale please reach out.
Regards
JRN

Can we sell mammoth ivory here??

mammoth is not elephant....right??

:-)Rocky

RickT has the final word. If it's up to me: A great big "NO"! Several states are not allowed to deal in "any" kind of ivory....and there is a better-than-good chance they could get bought from or sold to.
Capt. Chris

SO...if you got it...you got it, if not....stay away!!
not really sure how this "ban" helps anything...BUT I do understand taking a stance...even eBay will allow mammoth....

:-)Rocky

Rocky--

I picked up on the first inklings of the ban movement when the Fed's and the animal rights people started with it. Alerted certain key people and organizations to kick off the push-back that did eventually get some limitation on the Federal implementation, but not as effective in all the states...or it would have been much worse.

Logic had nothing to do with it...it was a rallying cry for fund raising by the rights groups, a fervent ideological movement for their "cause" and a career-enhancing strategy for the guy who was in charge of the Federal agency. He went on to a cushy job in charge of one of the larger zoological nongovernment organizations.

Selling into any of the states that have broad bans on any type of ivory (even extinct animals) could put the seller and maybe the buyer at risk...consider how a "buyer" might be part of an entrapment scheme.

Larry

Rocky...& others,
If you were, let's say set up and selling RMKs at the Blade show, you could sell an ivory knife there...as long as that buyer did not "live"...or "transport through" one of the ban states.
OK: WE, meaning the forum owners or moderators have no way to control who sells what and where in our "buy, sell, trade" forum. "If" someone violated these laws, even innocently, "WE" could be held accountable as "WE" were the vehicle for the transaction of this illegal activity and sale.
Hope this helps,
Capt. Chris

For information about selling fossil ivory, the following was found online:

States banning sale of fossil ivory: [Info posted as of July 22, 2021]

States and Countries Banning the Sale of Fossil Ivory and proposed Legislation (aaps-journal.org)

“States and Countries Banning the Sale of Fossil Ivory and Proposed Legislation

“Because of the poaching of African Elephants, many countries have banned the import of modern Ivory. Smugglers have been marking shipments of modern ivory as fossil ivory to get it past customs. Here in the United States, beginning with New Jersey and New York, state legislators have been submitting bills to ban the sale of all ivory, modern and fossil.

“While the differences between extant elephant ivory and fossil Mammoth ivory have been recognized for some time, and a good example and description can be found on the Fish and Wildlife Service page; www.fws.gov/lab/ivory_natural.php, State legislatures have simply decided to go the less expensive route and ban all ivory. This should be addressed in each state that bans fossil ivory.

AAPS cannot provide legal advice, and recomend you consult an attorney for advice on the sale of fossil ivory. Further, AAPS does not claim or warrant that this is a complete listing of ivory bans in the U.S.

State Link Effective Date
California https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCompareClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB96 7-1-2016
District of Columbia B23-0034.pdf 4-7-2020
Hawaii http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2016/bills/SB2647_HD2_.pdf 6-30-2017
Illinois https://legiscan.com/IL/text/HB4843/id/1816090/Illinois-2017-HB4843-Chaptered.html 8-14-2018
Navada https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/79th2017/Bill/5060/Text 1-1-2018
New Hampshire https://legiscan.com/NH/text/SB451/id/1664552 1-1-2019
New Jersey http://codes.findlaw.com/nj/title-23-fish-and-game-wild-birds-and-animals/nj-st-sect-23-2a-13-3.html 8-1-2014
New York https://www.aaps-journal.org/Fossil-Ivory-Laws/New%20York/S7955-2014.pdf 6-30-2015
Oregon, Living Elephant Only https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/lawsstatutes/2017orlaw0107.pdf 5-18-2017
Vermont Vermont H.99 1-1-2022
Washington, Living Elephant Only https://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/finaltext_784.pdf 1-1-2017

Country Link Effective Date
UK https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/30/pdfs/ukpga_20180030_en.pdf 5-23-2018
The following states have proposed legislation in process. If and when bills are signed into law, we will update the links. NOTE: While we make every attempt to locate the current legislation regarding fossil Ivory, new bills and current legislation is not always easily found. You must check with your own state legislators to see if there are additional proposed bans or bills that have passed.


UPDATES
1. Arkansas; Senate Bill 928 (Killed in Committee)

2. Connecticut; Proposed Bill No. 5700 (Vague definition of Ivory), Tabled for the Calendar, House May 5, 2015. Legislative Link

3. Florida; Senate Bill 1120 (Includes Mammoth Ivory), Died in Environmental Preservation and Conservation Location: In committee/council (EP), May 1, 2015. Legislative Link

4. Illinois; Senate Bill 1858 (Includes Mammoth Ivory), Currently in Committee, May 15, 2015 Legislative Link

5. Iowa; SF 30 (Includes Mammoth Ivory) In Sub-committee February 11, 2015 Legislative Link

6. Maryland; House Bill 713 (Vague definition of Ivory), Unfavorable Report by Judiciary, remains in Committee, March 16, 2015 Legislative Link

7. Massachusetts; Senate Bill S.2575 (Includes Mammoth Ivory) Remains in Committee June 25, 2018. Legislative Link

8. Oklahoma; HB1787 (Vague definition of Ivory), Second Reading referred to Wildlife Committee February 3, 2015 Legislative Link

9. Rhode Island; House 5660 (Includes Mammoth Ivory) Committee recommended measure be held for further study, April 15, 2015 Legislative Link

10. Vermont; House 297 (Includes Mammoth Ivory), In Committee February 24, 2015 Legislative Link

11. Delaware; Senate Bill 156 (Includes Mammoth Ivory) Senate Banking and Business Committee June 24, 2015. Legislative Link

12. Michigan; Senate Bill 371 (Includes Mammoth Ivory) REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES June 4, 2015 See also House Bill 4509 Legilative Link

By the way, It is a Scaggs big bowie, scrimmed and engraved by him. Some of you have seen it. So hypothetically, if I sold it on Gunbroker or Ebay and stated that you could not buy it nor would I ship it to the alleged states. CA, NY,WA OR, etc. Some person buys it and he transports it illegally through those states for whatever reason, Ebay or Gunbroker could be held liable along with me?
Seems reasonable ??

Just thinking...

That the states might have stayed out of it...after all, the Federal government is in charge of imports and interstate commerce, where presumably illegally imported ivory should be controlled. The Feds have the authority and the responsibility, and the states should not have to spend resources doing it for them. That does not mean that states could not call in the Feds whenever they came across something the Feds should handle.

"But"... the charitable organizations were able to raise tons of money because of the uproar they created, and they enjoyed getting their way whenever anything they supported got attention in the media and in the individual states. They paid a lot of people to carry on about saving elephants, but I don't recall that any of them took to the bush to stop poachers.

Larry