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#110852 - 05/08/13 05:16 PM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths ** [Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
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Cap,

You sound like Joe's doppleganger. I'm burnt out....

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#110853 - 05/08/13 05:24 PM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths [Re: BoBlade]
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I'm not "sure" I've been insulted as I don't know what "dopplebanger" means but I'm sorry you're burnt out Ron.
Good stuff, Capt. Chris
PS: I can assume, seeing as how I'm mentioned in the same breath as Joe, that I didn't get a compliment...CCS
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#110854 - 05/08/13 05:32 PM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths [Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
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Cap,

No insult. It's just that neither you or Joe can bring yourselves to call these sheaths Heisers, which is what they are. I don't know what the reason(s) behind this are, but it's frustrating.

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#110855 - 05/08/13 06:53 PM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths [Re: BoBlade]
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Ron,
Send me an email to:
CAPTSTANABACK@aol.com

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#110857 - 05/08/13 09:05 PM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths [Re: BoBlade]
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Originally Posted By: BoBlade
Joe,

You're killing me here (I'm sure I killing you as well). Yes, I read your posts. This is one of them:

Originally Posted By: Michael_Mason

Model 4-6, scribed on backside 3-11-61





Originally Posted By: crutchtip
I remember that knife. If that doesn't look like a Johnson front and back, I don't know what does.


The "Zealot" you mentioned was the guy who was responsible for putting this old question to bed. I for one thank the guy.

The sheaths are Heiser first and "transitional" second in the order of importance to the community.

Best,


Yep, it does look like a Johnson more so than what we would call the typical Heiser product like the tan 1-7 sheath I posted a photo of along with the black Johnson. That is irrefutable. Look at the stitching, very typical of Johnson and atypical of Heiser, although I have seen some Heiser marked sheaths with the thicker type of stitching.

The stone pouch cut and stitching is more reminecent of Johnson also. That is my opinion when looking at that particular sheath.

The butterfly stitching on the back also resembles a Johnson more so than the typical Heiser, to me.

Even the leather looks more like what Johnson would use versus what we would expect Heiser to use.

Who might that zealot be?

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The sheaths are Heiser first and "transitional" second in the order of importance to the community.


That is a matter of opinion. You can have all the circumstantial evidence on the planet, but the theories and supposition won't hold up in court. So, while I have said prior to this thread, prior to the sample sheath auction, prior to you and most anyone but along with Hunt, that the sheaths in question are likely Heiser made, I still don't have some form of factual documentation supporting what we know to be the case.

Perhaps one day with a little luck, something will turn up.

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#110858 - 05/08/13 09:16 PM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths [Re: BoBlade]
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Originally Posted By: BoBlade
Cap,

No insult. It's just that neither you or Joe can bring yourselves to call these sheaths Heisers, which is what they are. I don't know what the reason(s) behind this are, but it's frustrating.

Best,


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!!?!

I have said many times that the sheaths are in my opinion Heiser made and again in print prior to you or anyone else saying so, so I am trying to figure out why you keeps saying what you are saying.

What I have also said is I would like some factual documentation to support it.

On top of that, the transitional tag is nothing more than an accurate description, because that is what they are. I have not seen one with a Hesier stamp have you? So a Heiser made sheath with an RMK stamp would be a transitional sheath to the RMK stamped Johnson sheath.

In the timeline method:

Heiser stamped Heiser sheath - RMK stamped Heiser sheath - RMK stamped Johnson sheath

Damn, that might just be too logical.
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#110866 - 05/09/13 01:11 AM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths [Re: crutchtip]
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Originally Posted By: crutchtip
In the timeline method: Heiser stamped Heiser sheath - RMK stamped Heiser sheath - RMK stamped Johnson sheath


We have no gap now, Joe. Thanks.
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#123364 - 01/07/15 11:16 AM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths [Re: BoBlade]
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Ruh roh! Tell me about this one.


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#123365 - 01/07/15 11:45 AM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths [Re: crutchtip]
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Joe and I have been trading email about this sheath for a few days. I am really interested in some other thoughts. It is a curious package....

Thanks for posting Joe.
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#123366 - 01/07/15 11:49 AM Re: Heiser Vesus Johnson Sheaths [Re: crutchtip]
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Early 60's!
1. During the time when the shop and Heiser ran out of BB snaps for the 2nd time.
2. Precisely when the shop and Heiser ran out of the small brown substitute snaps.
3. Precisely when Heiser switched over from stamping their logo to the horizontal Randall logo.
4. Just before the next shipment of BB snaps arrived.

A "perfect confluence" of happenstances. This period only lasted a few days.

Give me a tough one next time grin


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