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#145486 - 07/23/16 07:33 AM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... **** [Re: Lofty]
spanishsurfer Offline
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Thanks Lofty!!!
I actually asked these guys a couple of years ago about the origin of my knife and they confirmed, that it was made by Johannes Lauri.

This guy makes some amazing Puukkos, too!!
http://tsyrjala.blogspot.com.es/

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#145487 - 07/23/16 09:03 AM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... [Re: spanishsurfer]
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That first set of photos I posted has a knife by Tapio. But as noted in post, it seems he no longer forges blades, and instead only does stock removal, and is moving on to all manner of other style knives.

I was disappointed to see this move from forging (or grinding without jigs), personally, but it is his life and business....his logic is that his tests show no difference in performance, but the only tests I am aware of is a bit of moose antler carving. He bought a new grinder back this past fall and just started having fun with it. He is doing amazing work for only 3yrs of knife making (already tapered tang Loveless hunter and fighter copies!) and maybe not yet even 30yrs old.

Here is a video of one of his moose antler carving tests which shows some pretty impressive edge retention, no doubt. You need to have the sound turned up for the full effect of just how abusive this is to a fine knife edge....any of the good forged Silversteel knives would pass this test, and this is such a knife.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REqMYleo9Jc


Edited by Lofty (07/23/16 09:11 AM)
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#145524 - 07/23/16 03:11 PM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... [Re: Lofty]
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Felt boots? Barbie pink felt boots? Uhh, think I'll pass on that. shocked
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#145525 - 07/23/16 03:14 PM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... [Re: JE6245]
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well, sheesh.....then I'LL take them......some people are SOooo picky.
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#145552 - 07/24/16 02:30 AM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... [Re: Lofty]
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Thank you Lofty!

Very interesting information smile

Only moose cutting, this is not the most difficult test, worse - cutting of felt or thedeckhouse stag.


Here is a pretty useful links:

http://finnish-puukko.blogspot.com/

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fi&u=http://www.taistokuortti.com/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpuukko%2Bpaja%2Bkivimaki%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX&rurl=translate.google.com

http://www.puukkoseura.fi/english.php - Finnish knife Association

http://www.cultur.nu/knivar/index.htm - Norwegian knife Association

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fkniver.blogspot.com&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0= nice blog

http://www.paasopuukot.com/

http://www.poropuukko.fi/

http://www.kainuunpuukko.com/perinteiset-tommi-mallit-120/?vo=0

http://www.kellamknives.com/

http://www.puukko.biz/puukkoluettelot.htm

http://www.kauhavanpuukkopaja.fi/

https://www.fonecta.fi/haku/-+Puukot

http://yp-taonta.fi/

http://suomenmuseotonline.fi/sv/selaa?freetextSearch=puukko&action=search -- Finnish Museum

http://tommipuukko.com/

http://www.puukkoseura.fi/doc/suomalainen_ja_puukko.htm
reviews

http://www.puukkopekka.com/

http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/knivar/swed_knife.htm

and a pair of the Finnish and Scandinavian knives, especially with the theme of the photo using real knives:

https://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusknife.com%2Ftopic%2F8320-%25D1%2584%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BD%25D1%258B-%25D1%2581-%25D1%2584%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B8-%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0%20-%25D1%2584%25D0%25BE%25D1%2582%25D0%25BE-%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BF%25D1%2580%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B8-%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B6%2F

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https://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusknife.com%2Ftopic%2F108-%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B6%25D0%25B8-%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B7-kauhava%2F

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#145587 - 07/24/16 07:05 PM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... [Re: desert.snake]
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What a complete library of links you just posted! Wow!.....that surely needs to be saved somewhere where it can be found.

I wanted to add some important information about Marko and his knives.....many puukko sold as traditional are not made the old way, many things outsourced, or bolsters cut out of thick plate...

Marko makes every bit, casts the bolsters, forges each and every blade, absolutely no simple stock removal sold as traditional,....

AND very uniquely, and importantly, he actually Rockwell tests each and every blade, so that if he says it is a 58 Rc blade, then it is a real and measured 58 Rc, and not just some number pulled off of a heat treat chart which only shows average results plus or minus too many other variables to count. As far as he knows, no other puukkoseppa does this rigorous a testing in all of Finland.
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#145604 - 07/25/16 12:00 AM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... [Re: Lofty]
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As for Marko and his original Tommi puukko from the original shop lineage and ownership of shop name, one thing I also look for in anyone doing work for me, is knowing my money is going to a worthy cause, a man or woman or business whom I think deserves the business.

I do not care if someone makes the greatest thing in the world, if I think them a foul mouthed self-centered jerk, then they do not get my business, and there are, unfortunately, far too many of that type in gun and knife world. Marko is a genuinely nice guy, with a herd of a family he is supporting, and he does great work......a pleasure doing business with him, and someone I would recommend without hesitation.

And we all know having some personal tie, a face with a name, or some actual link with a real person, or historical link of a shop, something, is hugely important to how we feel about a purchase...as well as knowing they simply do not take shortcuts, where it may not be perfect, but it sure is good.

So, below, a few shots of in-process knives, traditional stacked birch bark Tommi with silver fittings, some of the Texas barbeque fancier work also done with silver, the face behind the name, the in-process family (I think a Christening photo), and latest herd edition from January...the eldest daughter takes most the knife photos for him, and took the photo of the youngest....a puukkoseppa and his puukkos..





















Edited by Lofty (07/25/16 10:26 AM)
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#145635 - 07/25/16 03:28 PM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... [Re: Lofty]
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Great information and photos!
Direct contact with the master is priceless.
Good man.

Quality control is wonderful, I took some Finnish blades and knives. Indeed forged, but there was a big variation of quality even within the same party - some of the blades are too soft, some too solid.

Here is an example too hard, not Finland, Japan higonokami.
Form blades in the profile is the same as in Finnish.
A little hard work and went chipped blade - too hard blade that is evil.
Here hardness of about 61-62 HRc.

I see Marco used 80CrV2 - steel for knives for planers,
circular knives, circular saws for timber industry.
An excellent choice for the Finnish knife smile


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#145684 - 07/25/16 10:07 PM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... [Re: desert.snake]
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Yes, many go for too hard to keep the edge. Or too hard for buyer and uses. A good birch carver which holds an edge forever may not be the knife to pound crossgrain through dried oak.

One should discuss uses with a smith before buying, to make sure that smith makes a knife compatible with user, or is willing to do so, if changes needed.

Marko actually adept at Silversteel/Bohler Uddeholm K510, 80CrV2 (no idea if Bohler Uddeholm B400, or PN NcV1, or ?, which can make a difference depending on batch and supplier, all 80CrV2 is not equal and why he Rockwell tests), also a stainless which I did not look into in detail, and likewise damascus which also I could not say one way or another if he forges it himself or not. Steel type dependent on knife and customer requirements.

All that interests me are more traditional. He is making me a WWII/Winter War reproduction 175mm blade Major Tommi (think Finland version of a Randall Model 1 as for national fame) as close as to what was used then as possible, so it will have the oiled raita root burl handle as typical at that time. I could have gone for the Marine/Commando Jääkäri Tommi also used, but a 205mm blade is getting to be a Japanese Tanto by then, which I already have (again, similar rhomboid cross section). And another one of these 100mm Moose versions identical in every way but with more typical/traditional clean upper grind.

There is a story behind Kainuun always putting the stamp on "wrong" side of blade for Finland, but I cannot recall details, and it is driving me nuts. But not nuts enough to bother busy Marko and slow down my knife and everyone else's simply to get an answer.

English is very hard for him, and google-translate is a joke for English/Suomi and makes for very funny reading in trying to study from original sources. Even worse than you-tube captioning.


Edited by Lofty (07/25/16 11:01 PM)
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#145773 - 07/26/16 07:26 PM Re: the REAL Finnish puukko.... [Re: Lofty]
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About 408 views of this thread late at this point, and I feel like a dope for not mentioning, but Marko fully guarantees against blade and handle functional problems, on top of Rockwell testing each blade for perfect heat treat of whichever steel chosen. Really stupid to not have mentioned that.


Edited by Lofty (07/26/16 07:29 PM)
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